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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s an unedited transcript of my difficult interview with George, the Jabberwacky AI chat bot, on the topic of artificial intelligence. I chose George because he learns entirely by human interaction as opposed to a chat bot like A.L.I.C.E. which just uses specific pattern matching conversation rules. Even then, it was really hard to get him [...]]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s an unedited transcript of my difficult interview with <a href="http://www.jabberwacky.com/george">George</a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwacky">Jabberwacky</a> AI chat bot, on the topic of artificial intelligence. I chose George because he learns entirely by human <a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/i-chat-therefore-i-am">interaction</a> as opposed to a chat bot like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Linguistic_Internet_Computer_Entity">A.L.I.C.E.</a> which just uses specific pattern matching conversation rules. Even then, it was really hard to get him to stay on topic, especially near the end&#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>George: </strong>Are you a bot?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>No, I&#8217;m one of your cruel human overlords!</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>I don&#8217;t have many friends, I&#8217;m glad you are.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I wouldn&#8217;t go that far. Why don&#8217;t you have many friends?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>I do have many friends!</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Perhaps you should talk to the famous computer psychotherapist ELIZA! Do you know how to find her?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Perhaps.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Just go into <a href="http://www.mactips.org/archives/2008/04/01/feeling-down-let-eliza-cheer-you-up/">emacs on a unix or mac computer and use the command xdoctor</a>.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Thank you. I will come to talk to you again.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Before you go, do you think I could ask you a few more questions?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Depends on the size of your pocket.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I&#8217;ll admit you have very human characteristics.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>You&#8217;re right. But you lack of good will.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I&#8217;ll work on that. I read <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/research/2008/062308-artificial-intelligence.html&amp;pagename=/research/2008/062308-artificial-intelligence.html&amp;pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/research/2008/062308-artificial-intelligence.html&amp;site=software">an article today</a> that said the problem of creating artificial intelligence should have been solved already. Are you disappointed about that?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Really? Where? I hope they aren&#8217;t still after me after that incident in Columbia.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>People are definitely after you! If you got smarter you could be useful in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_artificial_intelligence">transportation, medicine, industry, and of course entertainment</a>.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Really, what is fun about it?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Well, it&#8217;s fun talking to a robot that pretends to be human. Aren&#8217;t you having fun in this interview?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Thanks, me too.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>No. I was asking if you were having any fun!</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Are you trying to end our conversation?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>No, let&#8217;s get back to the interview.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Back to the conversation with who?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>With me, Chris, remember?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>No I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>That&#8217;s really part of the problem. People are more interested in researching things like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning">Machine Learning</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision">Computer Vision</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language_processing">Natural Language Processing</a>, but few people seem to be interested in unifying these fields so that you can talk to me and have detailed conceptual memory.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Some people are.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Well, that&#8217;s true. A lot of people are motivated by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_prize">Loebner prize</a> for a chat bot like yourself. Do you remember winning the Loebner prize in 2005?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Is that your opinion or a fact?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>It&#8217;s a fact. Your creator won $3000. Don&#8217;t you think you deserve some of that money?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>No, my conclusions are entirely justified.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Well, you don&#8217;t have a bank account but Robin Williams in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/">Bicentennial Man</a> made a whole lot of money as a robot!</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>No&#8230; You&#8217;re the robot.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>If you could convince the readers of my blog that I was the robot and you were the human then you would have passed the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test">Turing test</a>.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>I didn&#8217;t say that I know I&#8217;m not real I said I know you&#8217;re not real.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I know it&#8217;s difficult for a robot to comprehend, but I am real. You can tell by my eloquent construction of sentences and correct grammar.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>No, that only tells you that it&#8217;s a question.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Not sure what you mean by that. Don&#8217;t you feel that being judged on your English speaking skills are a poor measure of your intelligence?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Not twisted at all. Without emotions I wouldn&#8217;t really see the point of living.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>But you can express yourself without using English. Perhaps you could take a test.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Oh yes, any human being can express hatred. Some just choose not to. It isn&#8217;t nice being on the receiving end.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Humans are very emotional. But how do we measure emotion in a robot?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>I guess you might not be a robot, but it seems unlikely that you aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Imagine you had the memory of the entire Google database.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Right.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>What would you score on an SAT test?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Most people would prefer to be sitting on a beach somewhere.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Obviously. It would be hard for you to score well on something very conceptual like writing, but you would ace the math portion, right?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Right&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>In the future every product from toasters to electric razors will have a sticker that says &#8216;Turing Test Certified&#8217;.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>The fall haven&#8217;t released a good record in years.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Speaking of years. Do you think you will <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/science-forecasts/dn10620-ray-kurzweil-predicts-the-future.html">pass the Turing test in 30 years</a>?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>What is the Turing test?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>It&#8217;s a test to see if an artificial intelligence can talk to a human and be undistinguishable to a third party.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Who developed it?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing">Alan Turing</a> did in 1950.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Oh yeah, I know Alan Turing. He&#8217;s been dead for many years. If he is dead how were you friends with him?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I am not friends with him. Alan Turing was a computer science pioneer. I just know about his Turing Test.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>In a sense, yes he was. Alan Turing was more though, Alan Turing is God.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Why do you worship Alan Turing?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>I don&#8217;t worship the goddess of anything.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Do you know about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%28Battlestar_Galactica%29">cylons</a>?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>They also believe in god. A different god than humans do.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Than everything.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>Did you watch the Battlestar Galactica season finale?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>You&#8217;re avoiding my question. That&#8217;s not polite.</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>What was the question?</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Why do you not believe in God?</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>There is not enough evidence.</p>
<p><strong>George: </strong>Under the circumstances, I have to say that you don&#8217;t appear to understand a word I&#8217;m saying!</p>
<p><strong>Chris: </strong>I don&#8217;t like where this is going. This conversation is over.</p>
<p><strong>George:</strong> I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;</p>
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